About this episode:

Series 2: Episode 4

In this compelling episode of The Agile Diaries, Richard Pharro, CEO of APMG, shares the surprising stories behind his diverse journey from civil engineering abroad to transforming professional certification on a global scale.  

Discover how working across cultures, navigating unexpected challenges, and staying curious shaped a leader who thrives outside the line of expectation. 

We break down the importance of cognitive diversity, collaborative leadership, and the human skills that AI can’t replicate. Richard reveals invaluable lessons learned through bold projects like the London Docklands and how a simple swimming pool plan became his defining moment in making a meaningful difference. 

Key Discussion Points

00:56

How Richard’s career path took many unexpected turns, highlighting the importance of adaptability and seizing opportunities before they arise

04:02

International experiences and how working in the Middle East taught him so much about cross-cultural understanding

20:30

The successes and the challenges of establishing APMG

“I suppose the thing that surprised me the most when I first started was how little I knew. You start on these things thinking you know a great deal, but in reality, you knew very little. It was quite surprising that you had all these people around you with a lot more experience, a lot more knowledge than you had. And you had to put in the effort to try to learn. If you had the right approach and you asked people to help you, then they actually helped you.”

Richard Pharro

Featured in this episode:

  • A black and white headshot photograph of Niamh Trundle
    Learning Designer, Agile Business Consortium

    Niamh is an experienced learning designer and educator with a demonstrated history of working in the education management industry, designing, developing and delivering training programmes for a variety of clients – both abroad and in the UK. Niamh is passionate about creating engaging and interactive learning experience using the latest technological innovations to facilitate learning.

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/niamh-trundle-4380b7111/
  • CEO, APMG International

    Richard is the founder and CEO of APMG, one of the few privately owned international accreditation and certification bodies.  Started in 1993, APMG has expanded its portfolio to nearly 100 schemes across the management spectrum on behalf of many National and International organisations and has representation in 14 countries. 

    Richard is a Chartered Director and Civil Engineer who, in his early career, worked on projects in Europe and the Middle East.  

    Richard believes APMG’s success is due to the way everyone within the business builds strong relationships with the people and organisations with whom APMG works. 

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-pharro-0b65671/
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